Abraham Lincoln Quote
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”
by:
Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:
Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)
darwinian remiix 
bullshit
You loose
ASDFDS
&
Wolf
Cling to your comforting little liberal fairy tales about Abe’s greatness – your juvenility would be cute…if you were an 11 year old female with Shirely Temple curls. When you’re ready to join the adults at the grown up table and discuss history, we’ll greet you.
Isn’t it astounding how history about this man as well as the underpinning issues related to white superiority and white privilege. Far too many people, of all races, are trying not to come out of their comfort zone of disbelief. But we must never allow such falsehoods to go unchallenged. This historical figure’s statement bearers the hallmarks of the plethora of the problems we face in changing the culture race domination in America. And the sooner we face them, the better!
Yes, Lincoln did say this.But you’re the one who is being disingenuous. As the person who posted this. In the context that they did so ASDFDS is correct, it’s bullshit. The was before Lincoln like many Whites who became abolitionists evolved from their racists and White supremacist doctrine and belief system. Upon meeting Fredrick Douglas he had totally become a changed man. Yes it actually happens. So when you’re ready to stop butchering history and cherry picking quotes and spinning the truth, then YOU join use at the adult table. But I won’t hold my breath because true to your right-wing conservative detrimental ways you make balloon animals of the bible just like you do history books.
Doran – your amazingly random conspiracy theory could only be more laughable if it stated that Booth had been spirited away to the moon. I guess that you couldn’t say that because it would conflict with your belief that the moon landing was a hoax. Did you graduate from 5th grade by finally learning how to tie your shoelaces?
Truth hurts don’t it
You people seem to forget: Yes, he was a racist for most of his life, and he was only against slavery because it gave the rich an advantage over the poor that couldn’t afford slaves, but towards the end he became good friends with Fredrick Douglas. The reason he was shot is John Wilkes Booth heard him give a speech saying that he had decided to give blacks the right to vote, to which Booth said, “That means nigger citizenship. Now, by God! I’ll put him through. That is the last speech he will ever make.” So advancing the rights of blacks is literally why Lincoln paid with his life. But no, he wasn’t the black and white figure he’s been painted as; he was much more interesting.
Thank you Kris for not backing off and telling the truth about Lincoln.I grew up being taught that he had the best interests of African Americans at heart.Now I know much better. I saw a documentary about Lincoln a while ago it stated that after Lincoln freed the slaves many blacks were so in awe of him that some would knee bend in front of him. If we could go back in time and show the ones who were in awe and would kneel in front of him the words above that he spoke about whites being superior and blacks being at the bottom and that blacks and whites would never live together equally, I just wonder how our past ancestors would feel about him.He was a flawed human leader so why be angry when someone tells the truth about him?
Historically this is a spin on the truth. Lincoln was in fact a racist. His motivation to give the slaves the right to vote was simply to win reelection. No other President prior to Lincoln would have gone to such a divisive measure to win reelection. Due to the Civil War no electoral votes were counted from 11 southern states–had that happened Lincoln may have lost with the slaves voting or not. He only won the popular vote by 400,000–which tells you how necessary the slave vote was to his reelection campaign. While Lincoln may have been the first President to consider slaves “human” publicly, he still very much went to his grave believing whites superiority. It was his desire to remain President that cost him his life, not his desire to advance the rights of Blacks. IMO there is no reason to celebrate this man in the degree to which he is celebrated. His death, tragic and unnecessary, but he was not a hero.
@ Jorge Maestre
there was no slave vote. Black people didnt get the right to vote until 1870.
And Lincoln won by 190 electoral votes.. your argument is flawed to hell.
@dsjj…Re-read my posts again. They did not count the electoral votes of 11 southern states because of the Civil War. That’s the only reason he won the electoral by that wide a margin. Free blacks weren’t allowed to vote until 1870, this is true. However Lincoln’s stance on the matter only changed to cave in to Political pressure. He personally believed that slavery was wrong BUT also believed that slavery was an institution in America. Numerous times he stated that nothing should be done to abolish slavery in any state in which slavery was already an institution. He simply did not support its expansion. He also stated in 1854 that he supported the repeal of the Missouri Compromise which made slavery illegal in two states because he felt that they were previously slave states. He very clearly stated that he did not believe Blacks should be afforded anything that resembled equality in the US. The man was a racist and should not be celebrated. I’ll concede my error on voting which was based on bad information but not on Lincoln. He hay have changed his views on slavery over time as President but certainly not on racism. Even founding fathers like Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson believed in equality towards the end of their life–bashing both racism and slavery. There are also numerous articles that reference a growing number of northern/southern poor whites who were against slavery simply because they couldn’t afford it. Lincoln may have shared that view coming from Illinois–which was a slave state–but growing up too poor to afford slaves.
@Jorge Maestre I read your comment just fine the first time, your logic does not work.
even if all the Confederacy states had been allowed to vote, the total of those states is only 118 votes. Lincoln still wins 221 to 139. thats assuming the south did not nominate their own president like they did in the previous election.
im not even arguing about the “was he racist vs was he not”.
im simply talking about your math not working.
People, including presidents, do change for the better.
Did any read ” They were slaves and they were white”?
No he had plans to send blacks back to Africa and did start
Nonsense you have to all him what he is a white supremacist that other white supremacist give props to he Conversed with Fredrick Douglas doesn’t change the fact he was a devil
You couldn’t be more wrong. That’s not at al why Lincoln was shot. Further more he only ended slavery because he was a huge supporter of the Union and without freeing slaves to work for the Union it would have collapsed. Know your history, not the crap you learned in school in the books written by the government.
The reason Lincoln was murdered was because he defied the International Banking Cabal by printing “Greenbacks,” The slavery issue is a load of bull. Booth was in the employ of agents of the bank and was not killed in the barn. The reason the barn was set ablaze was to hide the identity if the person who was really killed. Booth was spirited out of the country and lived in England. A little known fact is that the Brits supported the Confederates during the Civil War with money and arms and actually agitated for the war.
It is unfortunate that most Americans have a very sanitized version of history that has never seemed to rise above a 5th grade level.
Thank you for clarifying this and and breaking it down to Dr. Seuss so even conservaturds could understand it.
Yes u said that !! They always have a way of pissing on the man that recognized all men are Created Equal and died for what he believed !!
That was then and this is now
We are a progressed people
Keep your head up and
“Happy Black American History month ” thanks Abe
The reason he was shot is John Wilkes Booth heard him give a speech saying that he had decided to give blacks the right to vote, to which Booth said, “That means nigger citizenship. Now, by God! I’ll put him through. That is the last speech he will ever make.” So advancing the rights of blacks is literally why Lincoln paid with his life. But no, he wasn’t the black and white figure he’s been painted as; he was much more interesting.
please provide the source for this.i found no historical records of this quote from Booth.
WRONG! I don’t have time to dig up links/facts but Lincoln was assassinated by the Zionist Jew because he was on the verge of sending blacks back to their homeland . FACT!
Lincoln was a very wise man and he knew that multiculturalism & the mongrelization of civilizations DID NOT WORK! (EXAMPLES) Rome, Ejypt, Babylon, and a myriad of older civilizations..
Here’s a quote from Zionist Jew & the reason they wanted blacks to stay in America (in order to further their agenda and it’s working very well)….
ISRAEL COHEN (1912)
“We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.”
Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912. Also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957
I’m assuming from your statements you are the diehard libtard & will never get it, the leftist media has been very clever at manipulating weak minds like yours, wake up & smell the coffee kiddo, God will restore this “ONCE” great nation with or without you.
Aww, your fairy tales don’t conform with reality. Want a lollipop?
Read the Presidential letters of Lincoln and you will see he was anti-slavery the entire time he was in office. These are from his own hand-written documents and are available to the public.
Maybe you should read his letter to Horace Greely via the NY Times.
While we’re at it, inform yourself about what percentages the northern port owners got for their cut of southern agriculture products. Then you will be getting closer to reality!
Dorian Zeigler is correct!
it is true
Doran – your amazingly random conspiracy theory could only be more laughable if it stated that Booth had been spirited away to the moon. I guess that you couldn’t say that because it would conflict with your belief that the moon landing was a hoax. Did you graduate from 5th grade by finally learning how to tie your shoelaces?
Not bullshit. I studied this specific quote back in college years ago. It is an accurate quote. He also later made another speech contradicting this one condemning white supremacy. He rode both sides when needed. He was a politician after all. Perhaps you should study up on your history better.
your moms vagina is bullshit so shut the fuck up you dumb hoe even a retard knows whats right and whats wrong do your research bitch
You have presented an amazing and articulate argument. You are a cunt flapping in the wind.
The USA was created by and for ONLY White Europeans.
Well of course. Please let me watch when you inform the Native Americans that they are trespassing. Unfortunately I don’t think that they still use bows and arrows. If they did than your declaration of territorial rights would likely result in an assault that would be both unique and incredibly entertaining. They might carry knives but my best guess is that like most other Americans, they have guns. If you make it to the next round and work on ejecting African Americans and Hispanics, I recommend calling in the media. Someone should record whatever happens and I have to think that is would be newsworthy. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck you pasty Euro-cracker.
Oh how they love to erase history, and how they love to only put half of what someone says out there. Slavery was wrong all agree to that. But the blacks were NEVER supposed to hold positions of power, dilute our bloodline, or make us feel sorry to be white. That’s why the blacks hate the movie roots so much it shows how their own people sold them. It’s sickening that it’s okay to have black pride, gay pride, etc… But you mention white pride, and you should be burned at the stake. Our forefathers have to be rolling over in their graves.
Not BS, check it yourself idiot.
Bullshit
this is all true…its his ottawa speech in 1858 i think.
Yes it’s true and there is more. Abe Lincoln is not the man that history paints. He only recruted blacks to win the war.
This is confirmed. Lincoln was a man of his time.
If one looks at the prevailing attitude of the time, Lincoln’s view of Blacks was the norm. He was anti-slavery…not pro-negro., that is to say, he would not put Blacks on any equal footing with his own race.
There are countless quores from Lincoln that illustrate this.
History continues to be re-written by those trying to make the North, and Mr. Lincoln look better…and this only makes things more muddled.
A nation not willing to see it’s past will never be able to face it’s future.
It is a fool who judges history, and a wise man who learns from it.
Keep digging, America
God Bless,
Buttonwillow
Good response sir, i was going to post this same statement until i saw that you already had.
I am sorry buttonwillow but have to some more research because look up thaddeus stevens and that is a real fucking hero. He did 100 times more for black negros then Lincoln so learn your fact before you say some thing
Black negros?
A little redundant don’t you think?
In what twisted reality was Lincoln anti slavery? Lincoln cared about one thing. A powerful federal government. He stated as much repeatedly.
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.” The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, “Letter to Horace Greeley” (August 22, 1862), p. 388.
Saving the Union is not the same as building a powerful Federal government, although it was another step along that road, which later presidents (Wilson, FDR, Obama) took much further.
If I hade my way we should load all of them up and send them back to Africa that will get them off of our welfare system and we can save some of our tax money.
Why not go back to where you came from? That would allow the natives to get back control of THEIR land.
Send back ! I don’t recall we asked to come here and the American Indians didn’t send for You crackers either
Who told u that it was your country ? To give and take !
God created this universe for his chosen people not cold blooded Europeans that left there cold barren land
And if I had (or hade) my way you would have choked on your own excrement before it reached a keyboard.
The last sentence is the most important its saying that he doesn’t believe blacks shouldn’t have any thing but he thinks they should have something. Most people back then were racist about 90 percent actually. Is it really appropriate to apply something that happened more then 100 years ago to the standards of today? Mr.Lincoln was a great man he fought the war to give the blacks something and because he did he died.
and for all of you who say he was terrible you try being a president in the middle of the civil war. he is my faveorite president by far.
Lincoln did not fight the Civil War to free slaves. He said so in his letter to Horace Greeley.
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm
As Lincoln stated whatever he had to do to keep the union together By any means Nessacary and I’m glad that at all cost it was Nessacary
With that being said we were created free . We where physically enslaved but I better know it never mentally
Alway free!!!!
He was a murderer and his actions destroyed the republic as it was created. Black people were just tools he used to grow federal power.
Well said Ragnar! You nailed it. Lincoln was the worst, most destructive president we have ever had. He waged war against the states in order to save his presidency, as simple as that. Northern industry would have crumbled if he had allowed the southern states to exercise their right to leave the union. None of the states would ever have joined into a union that they had any idea they wouldn’t be able to leave, the 13 colonies were not joining the mafia.
At the end of the day they wont take the flag, they will make it more popular and for every business that does not sell it or business that does not make it there will be competition among other business to fill the buyer demand. Once again ignorant northerners are meddling in southern affairs that they have absolutely no understanding of.
What you are saying might be the truth, but the Southern point of view on government is not helped one bit by their view on 10% of the American population. That 10% being the ones with black skin.
So by being incorrect on one point your other point is made irrelevant. If men were angels there would be no need for government. Maybe a strong federal government is a great idea in this case.
Ragnar – If the ‘Republic as it was created’ included slavery, than it needed to be destroyed. What argument against Federal power is valid if it allows for the continuation of slavery? And what issue related to Federal power was more significant in contributing to the Civil War?
That’s an interesting question MB. Right and wrong and good and bad were not really different back then compared to now were they? Let’s look at it this way; do you imagine any of the slaves had any doubt in their minds that they SHOULD be free and they SHOULD be equal, just by virtue of being human beings? Even 200 years ago?
any one ho does not believe that Lincoln was not a racist deep down inside of him is a fool. he just played the game because he wonted the power of being president. he hated them.
Quiet as it was kept
He was biracial
Non of his children lived long enough to come to full color
Yep, you definitely have a grasp on reality and all those historians and researchers are wrong. At least they can spell, you diarrhetic skid mark.
MB you are an idiot.
you said “Is it really appropriate to apply something that happened more then 100 years ago to the standards of today?”
how about when the nazis were killing jews? Most of the germans rallied behind hitler like sheep. does that make a nazi guard not guilty? Because “everyone else is doing it”. Each and every person makes his/her own decisions and just because other people commit evil doesn’t make it any better for you or another person to do the same. People like you are the reason this world has no peace. you mindless piece of Sheet.
all right all right you try being a German during the Holocaust and not join the nazi partie they did it out of fear because if they didnt they would be killed and tortured aswell, would you not obey someone with a gun to your head, and lincoln was they greatest president of all considering the fact that most are part of a cult
History is written by the victors. We won so the Nazi’s were bad and evil and their acts were evil. However if the Nazi’s would have won their death camps would not be as widely viewed as evil and it is very possible that the Jews and possibly many other people may be irradicated by this point in history. If that was the case and the Nazi’s wrote the history a large majority would look back at the death camps as the norm.
If hilter.he had been left alone the world would be a much better place at least the Muslims would have been gasted.
JOE.
JOE. at least I have a mind you sure as hell don’t. you big fat NN loving TRD.
Diarrhetic skid mark
Don’t freak out everyone….take the quote in context with the time . History by the victors is always wiped clean to better fit in with whatever world view happens to be in vogue at the given moment . This statement by Abe would have been in keeping with the opinion of the majority at that time . Politically correct indeed….at that time anyway……….
Joe I understand your point but the Germans were in a desperate situation when they rallied behind Hitler , million dollar bread…He pulled them out of what was just about a world wide economic depression….Even Woodrow Wilson stated that a WW2 was bound to happen given the afterwar policy of the victors…Geneva…..horrible horrible things take place in war but you will only hear of the atrocities of the losing side….rarely the winners….think about it…a deal was cut with the overseers of Japans unit 737…731 ? You see I can’t even remember the name of that godawful place…pregnant women were vivisected live without anesthesia for Christs sake !…These men escaped any war crimes tribunal by turning over info on these and other horrible experiments to the U.S….In war most every participant delves into what can be called evil…all the way back, not just WW2….Rome , the Huns……read about them all and try to understand how the times affected the actions of the warring factions….it is much to simple to just brand a nation evil……..
This is how he felt. In FACT, he also went futher and exhausted all avenue to set up a system that when an if slaves were freed they would be shipped off to Liberia or Central America. Question….did he ever free the slaves his wife’s family owned? Answer….NO!
Yes and public opinion at the time was definitely moving toward the abolition of slavery. In the United States and the world. In fact, most western countries had done away with the practice by the time the Civil War had started.
Which is why it was critical for the North to go to war with the South (note the sarcasm). If most of the world was moving toward no slavery, the South would likely soon follow, or otherwise risk losing trading partners in the near future. However, it was a little more difficult for the South to give up the practice because their economy heavily depended on slavery. We should assume that it would therefore take the South a little longer to give up “the drug” of slavery.
Instead of being able to persuade the South to make small progressions (e.g. higher wages for slaves, greater slave freedoms), Abe Lincoln had to go to the coup de gras and declare war. Great presidents unite countries through peaceful efforts. Abe Lincoln united a country through force. Civil War is a last option, when all other methods have been exhausted and each one a failure. Lincoln failed to persuade the South to make progressions on slavery. Lincoln was not a great president. Some of the results of Lincoln’s fine actions:
1. Depressed economy in the South to this day. This has affected all races in the South and is evident in small and major cities alike.
2. Suppression of states rights. This has lead to a huge national deficit as well as the mobilization of state militias to fight wars overseas.
3. Increased racial bias in the South. Rather than let slavery run its course and let the ideology in the South evolve naturally, Lincoln’s war increased anger and bias in the South. It could be argued that blacks suffered much greater hardships for the next 100 years and still do so today because the South was not allowed to change on their own terms.
It is clear that Mr. Lincoln was not a revolutionary thinker of his time. Many of you who support Lincoln say this in your statements. He simply was a product of his environment and swayed to the overall public opinion. If he had been a revolutionary thinker, he would have been able to avoid war.
Lincoln did not fight the war over slavery and never made any efforts before the war to free slaves. In fact, he only signed the Emancipation Proclamation (which only freed slaves where he had no authority to free slaves and kept those he could have freed in bondage) because he thought it would help the war effort. Slavery in the South was actually already on the decline because southerners were finding that free people working for wages did a MUCH better job than people forced to work. However, pretty much everyone was still a racist believing that black people were inferior to white people. I recommend you read Thomas DiLorenzo’s books on Lincoln: The Real Lincoln and Lincoln Unmasked. They are very informative about the time before, during, and after the Civil War.
Great points. The 14th amendment makes all “U.S. Citizens” of the UNITED STATES, INC. slaves in Admiralty (crown) jurisdiction.
jason – What an incredible volume of vomit!
Multiple southern states seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in. The Civil War officially began with the Confederate attack on Fort Sumter only slightly more then a month after Lincoln took office.
Lincoln spoke of conciliation and pushed for Reconstruction before he was assassinated. Many of the Confederate states are not economically depressed. How did some of those states break the bonds of northern oppression?
How did the supposed suppression of states rights lead to the national deficit 100+ years after the end of the war? Your bs claim on the mobilization of state militias is just outright nonsense.
How does could racial bias possibly increase after slavery? The South did continue it’s oppressive treatment of blacks after the war but despite your claim, it could NOT be seriously argued that the Civil War made that treatment worse. Are you seriously suggesting that African Americans would have suffered less if the Civil War had not been fought?? Of course racism was not and is not limited to the South but much of the Civil Rights movement was centered around the policies of southern states nearly 100 years after the Civil War. It is beyond idiotic to claim that the war led to increased southern racism.
Not sure why I bothered replying to an ignorant twit like you because facts and common sense are obviously nonexistent in your world.
Dude you win world class moron award (HANDS DOWN)! You’re nothing but an uneducated troll romping around like a kicking screaming 3 year old little girl! Your futile attempts to insult others & bring them down to your level is slightly amusing but after the 2nd one I realized what a complete loser you were and how far out of touch with reality you are!
I tell you what kiddo, send me your home address (if you even have one) & I’ll send you a dunce hat “free of charge”! Asshats like yourself need a little something extra to warn others when your specialized kind of stupid comes bouncing around the corner HA HA HA HA 😂🤣😂
Please educate yourself before telling story time BUB , you only expose yourself for the fool we already know you are. Tsk Tsk
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But he qualified his statement in his belief that the white man is superior, and at the time he was, that the negro still should not be denied anything because of that. That’s at the very end in this quote. Kind of odd how you all skip over that. Maybe its you all who are the racists?
What makes Lincoln a racist is that he thought blacks were inferior to whites. Thinking that they shouldn’t be made slaves does not nullify that fact nor does it mean he believed he should fight for their freedom. As to the accusation of the people skipping over the end of Lincoln’s quote being racist, I don’t see how you could possibly conclude that without lacking an understanding of what racism is.
Lincoln was also pro slavery. In his first inaugural address, he expressed his support for a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited the abolition of slavery: “I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service….[H]olding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.”
He also sent a letter to the governor of each state advocating the ratification of this amendment.
Full text of the ammendment: “No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.”
Don’t believe every thing your were taught in school. Lincoln was no hero and just as racist and pro-slavery as the southerners. Lincoln also suspended habeas corpus and jailed people who printed dissenting options. On the other hand southern text books are equally as biased. Most Southern schools teach that the Union was 100% at fault and represent the Confederates as heroes. If you really want to understand the civil war, you need to read primary sources.
History books like to divide historical figures into heros and villains, but that’s just not realistic. In the case of the civil war, everyone involved was very much in the wrong.
When was the last time a “Southern school” used a book not printed by a “Northern” publisher??
Libtards have been dictating the curriculum in the South for years, and it is not as you depict. It’s been 40 years since I graduated from high school. You are way off base.
The reason that all of your “Southern schools” use books printed by “Northern” publishers is because those Northern libtards know how to read and write. You have already chosen your history. Go on and write your own version of history and bring back the Confederacy.
Glad hes dead.lol
lol! 🙂
I am glade he is dead to the jerk.
Were you going for an English sentence? Fail.
I would not be glad if you were dead but I would LOL if you choked on hairy testicles every time you typed a comment like that.
I a 34 year old white woman who grew up in the South (Tennessee) & was taught that Abe Lincoln was a veritable saint. No mention of the fact that he made it illegal for freed blacks to move into his home state. No mention of his plans to ship all black people to Africa or South America, & no indication that he issued the Emancipation Proclamation as a political maneuver to garner international support for the Union & not as an ideological or moral stance against injustice. The main beef he had with slavery was that it robbed poor white men of jobs. Every time I meet an African-American named Abe, I want to cry. Name your children for Frederick Douglas, Sojourner Truth or any of countless heroes of all races in the ongoing war for equality, not for a bigoted president who was one of the worst oppressors of personal freedoms that this nation has ever seen.
I think for most, it doesn’t matter WHY he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. The fact that he did it is good enough. He would not have won the presidency had he been running on the Abolitionist stance. They were popular but most still considered them to be religious fanatics with strange ideas about race.
Lincoln was in a debate and he knew that the abolitionist position was not the most popular position in the world. So he took the Free Soil position which was basically a racist argument against slavery (or at least spreading slavery into Northern and contested territories). Whether or not this reflected his actual views is unclear. He was trying to win an election and he was running on an anti-slavery position. He needed to appeal to the voters who were less enthused with the abolitionist idea that blacks were humans who were entitled to equal rights.
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As a white man married to a black woman, Lincoln can go fack himself. It’s sad we have our nation’s capital littered with racists.
As a nation we simply refuse to recognize and divorce ourselves from what they really stood for. In the post racial America where we worship the Golden Calf called ‘Freedom’ we have yet to realize that the institution of so wholly UN American that we naturally do not want any of its practitioners to represent our ideals or values.
Who cares about the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln turned an unjust war into a war on slavery because he wanted to keep England out of the war and from joining the South. The confederate constitution abolished the slave trade first and with that slavery would have come to a natural end.Lincoln has NO EXCUSE for starting the war.
Well to sum it all up, Lincoln was against slavery but, that doesnt mean he thought blacks were equal, or that they should be granted full rights. He thought blacks were inferior just as society taught him to think, but he also knew that the idea of slavery was inapropriate and that it was an outdated and unnaceptable institution that had to be stopped at some point. I look at it like this, I dont like dogs, but i hate to see them chained up and abused, i use that analogy in reference to the way Lincoln thought about the idea of blacks and slavery
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.” The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, “Letter to Horace Greeley” (August 22, 1862), p. 388.
to bad he didnt deport them
What we must ask ourselves is wetter Lincoln was entirely wrong or just expressed himself in a way people of today don’t like. I mean, where are the proof that blacks are equal? In crime statistics, Nobel prices, intelligence tests or historical achievements?
It is whether, not wetter. Also it should be “Where is the proof…” Instead of “Where are the proof….”
Sincerely,
Black female undergrad. Daughter of two, noncriminal black people – both of whom hold degrees (both undergard and graduate) from accredited universities. Their parents also hold degrees and fought for the Country in WW2. We are descended from slaves.
Kindly go fuck yourself.
Aparently you didn’t learn to be observant when you got your degrees, notice the name “non american” for the poster whose english grammer you so quickly corrected. How many languages do you know? being black and having a college education is a rarity, perhaps why you thought it was so important to reply to Non American.
The non americans point (I believe) is that if you looked up crime rate statistics in ethnically diverse countries you’ll find that black population % has much higher crime than white, and as far as intelligence well we can see by your last statement about what the Non American could do with himself that blacks don’t really have much of it, and if you look at education statistics it is a fact that the white population in every diverse country shows non blacks to have much higher grades and graduation rates than the blacks.
You forgot prizes. Nobel prizes, not prices. Just in case, 7 years in the future you happen to revisit this highly entertaining argument clinic. My God, there are some real morons in this world 🌎.
You forgot prizes, its Nobel prizes, not prices. Just in case, five years in the future you happen back upon this highly entertaining argument clinic. You have every right to be proud of your and your ancestors accomplishments, shiarispeaks2010! Shout it from the rooftops! From a 57 year old white male American sick of racism, gender and sexuality identity haters, religious intolerance, et al….
Everyone that thinks this is BS is white.
Abe lincoln was racist Robert E Lee was not and the tooth fairy isn’t real it’s the truth look it up.
Actually, Abraham Lincoln was very much pro-slavery. Here’s why Lincoln was a great political leader for the nation though. He decided to do some research and spent many nights researching the Constitution, looking over laws, how this country was formed, etc. He came to the conclusion that while slavery helped build this nation and he believed in it’s value (normal for that time), the nation was also at a point where things needed to change in order to progress. He reasoned that, for the good of the nation, slavery needed to be abolished, hence the Emancipation Proclamation. Lincoln had changed his views for the country. Rarely today do we see a politician who backs down from their beliefs and values and makes a decision for the good of the nation. This is why we’re in the boat we’re in now, because of decades of politicians who make decisions with their feelings, values, beliefs, or political gain. They lack the ethics and courage to do what is right for our nation. Read these books sometime for insight on how the government works. Public Sector Performance, by Richard C. Kearney. Also read Bureaucracy: What Government Agencies Do And Why They Do It, by James Q. Wilson.
Abe only decided to free slaves in hopes theyd rise up against whites in the south and make it easier to conquer the south. the south was wealthy and the north was fucking greedy. so here we are today with tyranical federal govt. thanks yankees. kiss my rebel ass.
The South was not wealthy. The small number of southern plantation owners were wealthy because of slave labor but the vast majority of southerners were not. The North was not only wealthier but economically stronger due to industrial diversity and production capacity. If you feel so oppressed by the federal government, than go ahead and secede again. Don’t think the North would care this time around. I personally would be glad to see you go.
I’m not interested in kissing your undoubtedly fat rebel ass, even if it had less traffic.
is that for real?
kind of sounds contradictory cuz he says stuff against the whites and blacks but at the end he kind of sticks up for the blacks
if im not mistaken
Having read the ideological meaning of the statements based on Abraham Lincolns quoted saying, its within reason that the ‘Moorish’ population as they were referred to in Europe and previously in America acknowledge the hideous history of a nation that was never supposed to be. All moves made by Abraham Lincoln were for political reasons and had nothing to do with his opinion of the Moors.
There were several reasons for the civil war but freeing Moors and Africans were not part of the reasoning though it became the purpose when written in history books. It was not in the best interest of European citizens to free moors from slavery especially given their history in Europe. I read the comment on here – and I see how any educated Americans are spouting educated lies based on books that has been misleading citizens since grade school.
“When the lie becomes the truth, print the lie”.
First it is most important to understand who these Negroids were if you are going to have a clear understanding why it wasn’t in the best interest of Americans to had enslaved them in the first place, but being that they did it – it become clear why they shouldn’t have been granted freedom. Now I’m going to tell you what history has denied us for many years.
It is by no mistake that we went into Africa grabbing the Negroes that we grab and it was by selection that they were picked the way they were picked. West African didn’t sell their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters,etc … and when the Portuguese docked on the Western shores of Africa they were met with great opposition. Those who were captured in Africa were foreign to the lands that they were captured on. These foreigners were Moor who fled Europe during the ‘Renaissance’ aka ‘Rebirth of Europe’ and went down into Africa. They were original called ‘Moors’ and later became known as ‘blackamoors’ when the Arabs joined forces with them during their conquest of Europe for 700 years. At the end of the conquest of the Moors the Arabs broke from them and began to go into Northern Africa and inhabit the north – still holding the name ‘Moor’ which was not their national name. These were called the ‘Dark Ages’ of Europe.
The Europe began to regain its power – and sovereignty from the Moors and Arab – they Moors fled back into North Africa where they tried to hide but the Portuguese had already assumed control of Northern Africa and through the annals of Pope Pius II in 1441 the Portuguese were sent on a mention to hunt down the Moors who once ruled Europe and enslave them that they may be used to build the new world.
In the Slaves document – of South Carolina:
http://genealogytrails.com/scar/negro_law.htm
Section 4: reads: ” The term Negro is confined to slave Africans (The ancient Berbers) and their descendants. It does not embrace the free inhabitants of Africa, such as the Egyptians, Moors, or the Negro Asiatics, such as Lascars.”
Negro slaves of Africa were the ancient Berbers (not the modern Berbers who assumed the name, they were simple the Arabs who joined the Moors and assumed the Moorish name after breaking off). American documentations is very clear about who the African Slaves were in calling them ancient Berbers.
What is a MOOR based on the Etymology Dictionary:
“North African, Berber,” late 14c., from O.Fr. More, from M.L. Morus, from L. Maurus “inhabitant of Mauritania” (northwest Africa, a region now corresponding to northern Algeria and Morocco), from Gk. Mauros, perhaps a native name, or else cognate with mauros “black” ….
A Moor is a Berber and a Ancient Berber was a moor in the 14th century when blacks were taken into slavery. The Moors ruled Europe for 700 years which is brings me back to case and point. You have to know why Abraham Lincoln made such a proclamation which seems to be racist in nature but isn’t.
The Moors used to rule the Europeans nations for 700 years and by freeing the Moors as the Moors freed the Europeans the European conquered and became superior of those where were once superior. By freeing the Moors and not sending them back to Africa but keeping them in America certain laws were implemented to keep these people down and out of memory of their true origins. Why do you think the Negro population was forced to forget their names, nationalities, and religious/traditional ideologies? These people were broken down to basically nothing and stripped of their humanity which is why Abraham Lincoln said:
“And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
It wasn’t because he was racist – its because in his time real history was much more available then what is passed for real history today. Those where were captured in Africa were captured for a purpose – they were just snatching Negroes from Africa. They were actually paying Africans to capture these ‘Moors’ which is why many Africans still have a disdain for these Moors (African Americans) today and totally dishonor the thoughts of them calling their selves African Americans.
Lincoln understood this – as he also knew that their were many Moor in the Americas long before Columbus or his nephew founded the new land. When other Portuguese founded America they had Moors on their ships and the Moors communicated with the Moors on the lands of the 13 colonies – and then suppressed them and enslaved them. North America only got 8 percent of the slaves during the slave trade and many of them were sent back to Liberia (Africa) many of the Moorish slaves were in America previous to the slave trade and that’s where the bulk of American Moorish slaves came from.
True history is much more transparent then the lie – but its so much easier to hold the lie as self evident then to accept the truth.
African American and European American have always engaged in a battle for supremacy and have been for the last 1300 years – but the irony is – they are the closes related genetically.
Very interesting Herman (@PattonHerman).
I am currently in self study about “Moors”, and particularly their deep influence and service during the pivotable era of American history and the Civil War.
Isn’t it also true that the term “Moor” was interchangeable with “black”, or “black” African (Christian or Muslim)?
I also understand they held advisor positions and influenced the political process here, as they had during their reign and control over Europe (especially the Iberia peninsula, Spain, Italy and England).
I’ll have to carefully read and undersatnd the slave document of South Carolina. Interestingly enough, reputable fornensics and archeological remains have “black” Africans as indigenous to South Carolina 54,000 years ago, and in South America as early as 52,000 years ago.
Where do clowns like you come from? Your info “FAILS” miserably! Either your another one of those blacks that thinks Christ was black too or your just another white moron believing the Jewish propaganda… Get your facts straight
Darpensteep: The failure was your mother’s attempt at contraceptive. Now, the entire world is burdened with your oblivious pandering to hold on to historical lies… A “Euro-peon” centrist no doubt. No wonder.
And i believe you are a nigger loving kyke who reads too much bullshit written by historians. Cuz you know if it’s on paper it happened.
Is that the best you can come up with Non Pickaninny?
You are a non-factor and incapacitated troll. Can you provide a lucid thought about the topic? Obviously not. Hurry up and die.
Non Pickaninny
“As far as intelligence well we can see by your [post telling a racist person to ‘Kindly go fuck yourself’] that blacks don’t really have much of it”
-May 23rd, 2013 8:30pm
“And i believe you are a nigger loving kyke who reads too much bullshit written by historians.”
-May 23rd, 2013 8:38pm
8 minutes later! Haha
That’s the attention span of a dog.
You’re a prime example of why we have the difference between opinions and facts. Kindly go fuck yourself.
Non Pickaninny – Who needs historians or facts when you can just create your own? Doing that is easier, particularly when you also need to include racism and antisemitism.
For your future rants, I believe the correct spelling is kike.
You are a jumbo buttplug.
Brotha Herman–thanks for breaking down history with the facts and perspective, that is too often overlooked and misunderstood. Right on!
People talking about he changed..lol Fuck outta here! this speech was giving 7yrs b4 he was killed sure took him a long fuckin time to “Change”
Why is it we only give certain sacred cows the whole “he was a man of his time” bullshit to wash away his sins and atrocities but not others?
True. Why others desire to excuse and justify Lincoln’s piss-poor character is really amazing. Apparently, these types prefer (false) patriotism, myths and fables instead of truth and reality.
Thaddeus Stevens and Frederick Douglass were also “men of their time”, yet without the hypocrisy and ludicris notions fueling racial bigotry… Especially considering that “white” British slaves in America during the 17th and 18th century — demarcated as a racists.
some people who visit this site want to read and learn information, and not read comments from foul mouths and people who have nothing better to do in life than cuss, or curse constantly. Act your age, grow up, and you can be mad at certain things in history, just don’t take it out on others, yeish. Everyones a certain age, so act your age and spare people the foul language.
Thank you buddy. I came here for historical fact; not to hear racists resort to the predictable racist name-calling they love to do whenever they do not agree with new historical fact that does not support their view.
This article is a piece of crap! Of course he was racist, only because of the time he lived in. Then once he saw the unruliness of racism he tried to fight for the African Americans. A racist would not do that, also everyone is trying to bash the good name of Abraham Lincoln. May he Rest In Peace and be remembered as he was a good man who fought for slavery to end, he died from helping African Americans become citizens. Could you do any better?
Lincoln never fought for the black man? Where on earth did you ever get such an absurd idea? He freed slaves for one reason only. The north was losing men at a rate of 4:1. Truly and unsustainable number. However if he could lure blacks to the north, which he did under the pretense of freedom, the south would be forced to release troops to the fields and produce the food necessary to sustain the war effort. By the way, history documents his intention to purge America of the black plague after the war but Mr. Booth screwed that up.
You have spouted some amazing nonsense. What exactly was the miracle weapon or strategy that gave the Confederacy a 4:1 kill ratio? B.S. The Union had resources and industrial strength on it’s side.
Also so what if he was, he stopped slavery. I’m pretty sure that was good enough for the African Americans.
logical thinker:
Please think again. Slavery in the Americas, particularly, the North American colonies/states were not only relegated to “blacks” (or African Americans).
Here is a major fact which has been kept hidden and ignorant among the masses.
During the 17-18th Centuries, “whites” were slaves in EVERY sense of the word, and were treated in EVERY manner as slaves, just as “blacks”. In fact, “blacks” actually owned “whites”. It is estimated that over 3300, or approxiamately 60-70 percent of “whites” in America were slaves from Eurpoe captured by the British and transported here. Although, “white” Europe, especially the Irish, Scottish and British have tried to expunge this from history, the facts have been revived. Read the book titled White Cargo, and To Hell or Barbados, and this reality will become clear.
This brings a lot of the freedom of slaves into question, especially concerning the question of Abraham Lincoln’s [so-called] contributions of emancipation and so-called historical facts.
Ed – Good job at creating a false equivalency. Estimate was not 3300, but between 100,000-300,000 and I found nothing about 60-70% of the whites in America being slaves. Although there were similarities, white slaves were not subject to the same degree horrific treatment as black slaves.
Regardless, it ended with the American Revolution. Without a doubt it was a terrible injustice, but has no absolutely no relevance in a discussion of Abraham Lincoln, emancipation, and the Civil War. Contrary to your last statement, it brings nothing into question except the level of your ignorance.
Lincoln was a very wise and enlightened man,, everything he said was and still is true,,as time will tell…..Lincoln was not a racist he was a realist….unlike you bunch of fools!!!!!!!
By today’s standards, yes, Lincoln was a racist. But here’s the strange beauty of racism: A racist will STILL see other ethnicities as part of the human race. In Lincoln’s time, black people were lucky to even be acknowledged as mere cattle, of which were still treated better than slaves. Lincoln had an extremely progressive mind as to be able to see that we are humans too, and that we deserved the same rights as anyone else. He may not have been so advanced that he could see blacks and whites living together, breeding together, and working together in harmony, but if he had been born in a later time, I’m certain he would have.
Sara:
Your post is pure psychobabble and conjecture!
Others such as Thaddeuse Stevens certainly did not share Abe Lincoln’s, Andrew Jackson’s racist (political climate of thge day).
If you adore Lincoln, along this the rest of the lairs in history, that is one thing… so be it. But do not attempt to twist facts relevent to his opinions on race… Such pathetic trite.
This nation certainly had no issues accepting “black” contributions from men such as Benjamin Banneker, George Washington Carver, etc. Your “mere cattle” comment / theory is really absurd, and have little idea what you are talking about.
Ed – Lincoln may not have started his presidency with the intention of ending slavery. The debate over his true beliefs will probably never end. Regardless of whether he acted out of conviction or out of political considerations, it was under Lincoln’s leadership in actions and words that the nation ended slavery. And upon re-election, Lincoln made passage of the 13th Amendment his top legislative priority. Many of the Founding Fathers owned slaves. That cannot be ignored but it also doesn’t negate their contributions and significance. Or were Washington and Jefferson just liars too?
“Trite” is an adjective, not a noun.
Benjamin Banneker was born free. George Washington Carver was born into slavery but in the 1860’s. If they had lived their lives as slaves, you wouldn’t even know their names and the nation would never have had a chance to accept their contributions. The “mere cattle” comment is not absurd. That is absolutely how slaves were treated. Legally and in practice they were property. Did you never take an American history class or are you really just that clueless?
Actually Lincoln was a realist. He had the luxury of speaking his mind on obvious issues such as black behavior.
Lincoln was not a racist, he was a politician. Caleb Carmen, a long time friend of Lincoln, reported that in 1826 Lincoln “was apposed to slavery & thought it a curse to the land”. Another friend of Lincoln, Samuel Parks, said that in 1840, Abe “always hated slavery as much as any abolitionist”. Lincoln knew that if he came out as an abolitionist, he would have no hopes in becoming president. Lincoln only won 39% of the popular vote in 1860. At the time, the country just wasn’t ready for a hardline abolitionist president. He decided instead to gradually introduce abolition.
Lincoln was without a doubt an abolishionist, but he also he met the definition of a racist. His feeling about slavery was consistent with an abolishionist in that he did not think one human being should own another human being. His position on the matter is not in question. Racism is defined as belief that one race is genetically, socially or intellectually superior to another race. Lincoln’s rhetoric was consistent with this definition. His plan was to expatriate the slaves as James Monroe did with the establishment of Liberia in Africa. Lincoln did send freed slaves to an island near Haiti as an experiment. The vast majority died within a year. Lincoln realized that this was not a realistic option as a result.
If you read the Emancipation Proclamation and his letter to Horace Greely, it becomes quite apparent that Lincoln’s primary goal was to save the Union and that the abolishment of slavery was a secondary issue.
What I find hard to understand was the fact that the negro was enslaved in the first place. looking forward in history surely some one could see the problems that slavery would bring to the Nation. first mistake! after emancipation the negro should have been returned to Africa, to Liberia where they could live and practice thier lifestyle. the U.S.in turn should provided tools and drsft animals and a cash stipend paid out over a period of years so they could how to save money. also establish schools for them. second mistake. as Lincoln and others knew the negro would not be able to live amoung european peoples and develop as free men, the differences were to great and the propensity for violence and the lack of a moral and spiritual base that would aid in this development was absent. religion was essentially a social occasion that provided a bit of cultural-cohesion for the negro singing and an opportunity for males to practice thier oratory skills and make some money as a preacher. eg Elija Muhhamad, ( Cecil Poole) and Reverend Farrakhan ( a former clypso singer). By not taking steps to deal with the problem of the Blacks attempting to live in a European society early on was the origin of the problems we face as a Nation. it is like we stumble from one problem to the next trying to figure out what to do with the problems we created. On the issue of the Black Man in the U.S. many options existed that would have benifited both races. that nothing was done for a couple hundred years created the worst reaction to the Black Mans who was stuck in america neither going foward or backward. the result was hostility and hatred of the Europeans (white man). whats next?
Tisk-tisk henery Dagnido:
One of the most cruical flaws with your bigoted wheedling and drivel lies with the fact that the indigenious peoples in the Americas were/are “black” Africans… Not (so-called) Native American Indians.
The only on stuck in America neither going forward or backwards appears to be YOU.
Ed – You must dedicate incredible time and effort in your search for ignorance. Based on the amazing nonsense of your statement that the indigenous peoples of the Americas (including “so-called” Native Americans) are “black” Africans, I’m left to assume that you are attempting a racial slur.
All humans are descended from “black” Africans and migrated out of Africa. If you want to throw your racist bile around, you should know that your attempted slur is equally meaningless and equally valid when directed at any human. Even a purebred douche like you qualifies.
What has followed by the descendants of the slaves was escalating violence directed at “whites” by Negros the more freedom the more violence that blacks directed at whites. rape of “White” women reported to the DOJ is in excess of 30.000 anually it is estimated that the true figure is in excess of 60.000 considering that many women do not report rape. the figures on white men raping black women in the U.S. is 1-0 actually O! White men do not rape black women. several leaders of the Black revolution were convicted rapists. Eldridge Cleaver, Malcom X, Elija Muhammad. Obamas mentor wrote about being a sexual outlaw. Other issues that prevented Black mobility was the differences in values from family structure, to literacy, hyper emotionalism,oral tradition that focuses on victim-hood. violence as a means of solving, mysogany is rapant in their culture and “Pimps” are considered culture heros that are part of the Oral tradition “Ice Berg Slim” and many other real life players are viewed as role models for would be players! even the fictional characters like “Dolamite” are famous for thier talents of bending women to the will vial huge endowed sex organs and his Pimp rap!.. we are 60 plus years this side of the civil rights movement and yet blacks remain fixed as victims and are reluctant to abandon the negative aspects of thier behavior from the use of foul language at school to blaming whitey for all failures ans everything that befalls them.
why make this a race issue?
So true. I’d guess that 120 years from now (assuming America survives the Obummer presidency) blacks will still be blaming YT for all their problems. Look at their homeland especially the tribes with no white influence and you will find a people who have never domesticated an animal, never developed a common dialect, who have contributed nothing to art other than statues of black women with boobs drooping to the ground and have developed music to nothing more than a hollow log with a skin stretched over it. Oh, they have advanced architecture to a mud hut very similar to that which a beaver lives in. So much for white oppression.
So what exactly allowed you and your inbred ancestors to reach such remarkable heights of achievement? Clearly you are special and if you had been born in a hut or slave cabin, than you would have risen to astounding accomplishment based solely on your innate gifts. If you didn’t know yet, let me give you a hint. You are a douche!
Lincoln knew that equality is a pipe dream. Nature made sure of that, because equality exists NOWHERE.
This quote is legitimate, but what the author got wrong here is the notion that Lincoln is not pro-negro. This statement was made during a debate, years before he decided to end slavery. Lincoln was pro slavery, and anti Negro BEFORE he became a president, and realized how wrong he was (then he became anti slavery and pro Negro.
Get it right, you’re out of context.
Lincoln was right on the money with that quote. Think what a paradise the USA would be without blacks.
reality time for you:
Not only are you ignorant… “Blacks” were in the Americas long before you and those like you migrated. Go back to where-ever your descendants came from. You are free to leave, and won’t be missed or thought about. Tritely idiot.
“ED” the simpleton!
Where do clowns like you come from? You obviously haven’t heard the latest have you? You “FAIL” miserably at your kindergarten story & need to go back to where you came from…
Darpensteep: Miseducation, lies and Euro-peon cajolery won’t save you from your twisted distorions of historical accounts. If only your parents succeeded at contraception and not failed…
first, civilization as a whole have gaps of information.okay think in germany hitler made it normal to hate,well abe made it normal to think and war is a time of closed minded people.if you put that fact with the fact being open minded can get you killed,alot of people back in those days still believed in witches.so ignorance plus your parents teaching you how to hate a people can make you a bigot and yes poorer white people in those days accepted black people but just cuz you accepted something doesn’t mean you like it we all have been children plus most of history is blotted out cuz of white,asian,middle eastern,hispanic,and black supramists we really might never get the truth.
my name in spanish is literally spelled out nigger in english,and if you ever saw me i’m pretty light skinned.what i’m trying to say most people dont know there racists even after it’s pointed out to them multiple times.my grandma thought that one up and yes you could say she was racist my whole family kind of is but that just proves that race supramists are the real reason white black hispanics and other races are racist toward each other pretty much if you have someone tell you your better cuz the color on your skin or ethnicity you’ll eventually believe it.the human psyche is actually extremely fragile and can be minipulated to believe anything.
A quick look at any local American newspaper in the crime section will rapidly reveal that history has proven Mr. Lincoln to be 100 % correct.
Finally!!!! An intelligent person speaks the truth.
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The reason why Abe Lincoln was killed is because of the Kenites, Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.. THEY are the ones who brought the African slaves over here in the first place.. “SLAVES” in the definition of slaves, were supposed to be WHITE.
The “slaves” were all WHITE, the reason being is because EVEN IF the slave owners had sex with them, their children would STILL be “PURE” White.. The Kenites KNOW this, they knew it back then.. so what did they do?.. They brought Black slaves to America.. Lincoln did NOT like it. He was against it and wanted to send them all back to Africa because of the blood line’s getting contaminated and corrupted. GOD DOES NOT LIKE MIXING… NOTHING, not plants, not animals, not linen with cotton, NOT MAN. Genetic mixing is an abomination, it is called “ADULTERY” and is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. “THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY” aka DO NOT MIX. And to whoever doesn’t think that God did not already cover “cheating” as one of the TEN, refer to “THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBORS WIFE”.
THAT is why Abe Lincoln was murdered.
The impostor Jews [Kenites] are behind everything. They SAY they are Jew, BUT DO LIE…. Tares among the Wheat.
Ugly women:
You can blame the JEW for YOU, but I aint taking the blame for you idiots acting like a pack of fucking savages anymore
It must be downright exhausting to spew such volumes of nonsense. In babble that I think you will understand – Burn in Hell!
AMEN & AMEN! You are one of the very few that are aware of this fact, the Jew has been very clever in hiding this, they had to or they couldn’t further their agenda….. here’s a famous quote by Zionist Jew and why it was imperative to keep blacks in America .
ISRAEL COHEN (1912)
“We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.”
Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912. Also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957
BREAKING NEWS! This just in, from the year 1912: communist jews on war path against “Whitey!” Well, since Judaism is a religion, a person from ANY race can be a jew. An interesting book on the topic of Judaism and race is titled “the 13th tribe,” and illustrates that it is quite possible that the majority of Jews today are of European stock, furthermore, genuine Jews descended from Abraham may quickly become myth. I’m not going into details, as the author’s theory is extremely detailed. Point being, communists from the year 1912? You are a very serious moron… THAT is your big fear? A communist Jew, in the year 1912, spouting HIS racist rhetoric, is causing your declaration of war on non-whites? Yes, its true, most Jews today ARE WHITE! You Jew!
Also, I have never even heard of, let alone, met, a communist Jew! All the Jews I’ve ever known were dyed in the wool, card holding capitalists! Where have you been for the past century?
His thoughts….In 1855, Lincoln wrote to Joshua Speed, a personal friend and slave owner in Kentucky:
You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it. … I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves. I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio, there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continued torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border. It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable. You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the Constitution and the Union. . . How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except negroes.” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty— to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be take pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy [sic].[17]………………………………………….Summary? man cared.
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Lincoln hated no one. He was a product of his time. Lincoln’s views on race related issues changed immensely over the years.
You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other 2 races. Even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. you are cut off from many of the advantages which the other race enjoys. It is better for us both to be separated.”-Abraham Lincoln, during a meeting with free Negro leaders, at the White House, August, 1862
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the 2 races living together on terms of social or political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion that I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position that the Negro should be denied everything.
“. . . Notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the Negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence-the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects-certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal, and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man.”-Abraham Lincoln, debating with Douglas in Illinois, 1858
“In all my interviews with Mr. Lincoln I was impressed with his entire freedom from popular prejudice against the colored race. He was the 1st great man that I talked with in the U.S. freely, who in no single instance reminded me of the difference between himself and myself, of the difference of color, and I thought that all the more remarkable because he came from a State where there were black laws.”-Frederick Douglas, radical black abolitionist and former slave
“I say in relation to the principle that all men are created equal, let it be nearly reached as we can.”
Abraham Lincoln
all men are “created” equal in the sense that they are vulnerable, have the same opportunities if given and left up to their own initiative and determination just but genetics takes over and viola, the lazy negro and the tormented white are the results
I’m feeling a bit underwhelmed-
Was the meaning of the term- in all of it variations, that misunderstood?
Can it be possible to not see that to define oneself as the only important flower in the field- subjugates the field, the rain, the sun and bees to servitude.
Or not comprehending that the only organism in nature, not being pressured by universal factors beyond contention, is a myth?
We exist only by the application of a concept called competition… our imperfect expressions, or unabashed use of life and death to compete for everything is only controlled by limited means, distractions and artificial barriers named in law…
If you tell children that they should always follow the adult-
Some will try and become adults, while others will chose to disparage the world and they blame the adult for faults developed as a mere child-
A separation of goals, it would seem.
If a child tells an adult they are mistaken every time a situation calls for a paradoxical or counter intuitive instruction-
Does this make a child mistaken or is the adult at fault for being much too busy to further elaborate? Perhaps both are less than right? And yet still, by examination, are less than wrong?
Sometimes being unable to explain that putting out a fire to save the child playing with matches has more precedence than worrying about whether or not the child chooses to hold a grudge or can forgive anyone for the spanking they received for starting the fire.
The complexities, conflicts and flaws of humanities continuous attempts at civilization are seemingly examined through the eyes of someone that only wants a childlike version of why the sky is blue… ever study meteorology? Astrology? Physics… did anyone try to find a universally current explanation or did your parents, uncles, sister say because it is?
What will these historical critics contribute to this one species – as it exceeds 10 billions of souls on one planet and there is a man or a woman that decrees and by need of the many already here and generations coming (against all personal beliefs and private desires or instinct to procreate) enforces licensure and penalty to have children… ? If you have a child – without license approval, medical certifications and financials, are you committing suicide or just murdering the future?
Will they celebrate that decision and those subsequent deaths as giving humanity a wake up call and direction for needed expansion… or will they condemn every word, act and signature… as the work of an antithetical deity…? These too, are historical situations…
Mustn’t the realization be a little obvious that Mr. Lincoln could have more easily avoided the war, accepted the southern confederated states as the new neighboring nation of cheap agricultural labor- to compliment the northern industrialization and production of manufactured goods- celebrated their diversity in ideologies and behaviors, built a fence to keep things in some semblance of order and profited from the economies of scale and international trade… instead he took a stance that resulted in someone whom disagreed with his perspectives – taking his life.
Does anyone think that Abe was so dense as to not realize the conflict he participated in from rhetoric to cannon fire might take so many lives from both positions, but very likely his own?
Race- Really?
Would it be a better world it we simply taught children not to compete- so when they misunderstand the rules that the adults cannot teach with great clarity, they do not damage each other and themselves…
Try looking at the species of humanity- it includes all those that would love and hate… or merely complain about their own lack of celebrity.
Since we cannot blame the humor of nature upon ourselves- in ignorance we blame those that are unlike ourselves- it is easier, more profitable and creates better crowd control.
In its raw form it isn’t race, it’s called Xenophobia: the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange.
In its political manifestation its merely competition at every cost.
If the survival of our species isn’t something that some groups work towards, as that would indicate belief in an unknown future, success, progress (for everyone)… is it their fault they couldn’t reason it forward- or should they blame the instruction they received?
So, the pundits of the word and world would take the path of blame: As if an old cartoon of Bugs Bunny blowing himself up in frustration could really be the reason behind modern political terroristic bombings…
Best of luck,
A dying man.
Memphis, Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis…..Ferguson, Baltimore etc etc. Haiti. Same blacks except the Haitians have been freed more than 100 years to rule themselves. Poorest country in the western hemisphere. Also the most african in genetic make up. In other words an IQ much much lower than the Dominican Republic which has much more european genes (white) on the same island.
Look at the stark contrasts between the two.
St Lucia (carribean island) which has the IQ of 57 is made up of sub saharan africans.
Average U.S. black IQ is 78. And this is ONLY because of white genes and intelligence incorporated in their dna.
We are different species no doubt about it. We were created in His image, they(blacks) evolved from monkeys and stopped evolving
Robert E Lee. “The freed black will survive by theft and charity.”
Not sure whether I’m more amazed by your blatant racism or by the way you attempt to legitimize your nonsense through completely inaccurate references to evolution. All humans evolved from primates. You, however, chose to take a step back. Go vomit your beliefs somewhere else.
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RS
WHITE POWER
Well said. Are you self-conscious about being the product of inbreeding?
The saying that the victors write the history books has never been more true than the Civil War (or the war of northern aggression.) The north started the war because the south seceded (they had the right to do so). The reason the south seceded was because the North was taxing the south unfairly, taxation without representation. The North needed the south to pay for the north’s projects. Slavery was not the issue until 1863 when the north was losing the war.Lincoln was very cagey and smart and decided to include slavery as an issue to get more people on the north’s side. Lee tried to get the slaves freed in the south, but to no avail. Lincoln’s wife’s family had slaves. Only 7% of the south owned slaves. of this amount only 3% had more than 2 or 3 slaves. The beatings and killing and raping the slaves was horrible but please note that this was not the norm. Most southerners treated their slaves kindly and many like family. Slavery was bad. This I agree all people should be free.We are all children of God. but remember that every race of people all over the world have been slaves sometime. But I am not condoning it. If only 7 % of the south had slaves and If you did not own slaves would you have signed up to fight the war? I don’t think so. And the war was not about slavery. Lincoln had up to 5, 000 political prisoners. If a newspaper wrote an article in favor of the south he shut the newspaper down. A captain, who was in the us navy and had been away from his family for 3 yrs, came back to the U.S. He didn’t want to serve under Lincoln. (Lincoln had just been elected) Lincoln put him in prison. The captain’s wife tried to see Lincoln to see if he would let her huspand out of prison. She wrote that Lincoln would not talk to her and just paced the floor. Then he just said”I’ve done what I have done. Read the times he had soldiers shot for almost no good reason. Also sherman (after destroying so many small farms in the south, people who had no slaves and were small farmers) wrote to Lincoln 3 TIMES asking him if he should stop destroying so many farms. Lincoln wrote back all 3 times and said whatever it takes. I do not believe a christian would do that. Lincoln did believe that blacks should not intermingle with white people and was going to deport them back to Africa and other countries. If he won the war. Also the northern people didn’t want to fight in the war( so the north had to force them to fight)and had riots in New York. Blacks were hung. and killed. Read up on it. If the war was not fought, I believe slavery would have been extinct wihtin a few yearst. The steam engine had been invented making slavery not profitable. Also people were going west and leaving the south These places would not have used slaves. Different kind of crops. I believe the south treated the blacks as bad as they did( after the war) was because after the war the north put blacks in office( they had no experience and were not ready to do this) Also the Government gave the farmers lands to the blacks.(thousands of acres)
and also made a law that no white man could hold office and other laws.too to hurt the white male.(even those who never had a slave).Some of the reason that the south and the north could not get along was because people who settled the north were from different parts of the world than the people of the south. Different ways of life. Different cultures. There is so much more to be told about the war and slavery I would like to let people know that it didn’t happen like the history books wrote.. And Robert E. Lee loved the blacks and the blacks loved him. After the war in church they had communion. a black man went down to hav comminion and the other members wouldn’t go. Robert E Lee went down and had communion wthwith the black man.. Also Robert E. Lee helped even a union solder who was by himself and in trouble be the road.
Sandy
Interesting to see how so much of the truth about all of our history has been deleted from
the history texts in this culture. Not only did Lee advocate the the abolition of slavery in
the south, he freed every single one he himself owned. And yes is was confirmed on a
History Channel Documentary some years ago that Lee welcomed and took communion
with a new black member of his own church! Even more startling and revealing of historical
lying is the fact that not only did Adolph Hitler not ignore Jesse Owen’s he sent Owens
a congratulatory telegram during the Olympic victories he scored in Munich in 1938! All
this and Owens’ own confirmation of exchanged greetings with Hitler and Franklin Delano
Roosevelt’s snubbing of him are a verified in Jeremy Schaap’s “Triumph, The Untold Story
of Jesse Owens”
Erick Dean Tippett
Retired Musician/Teacher
Chicago, Illinois
Sandy, you are not the most talented or fluent author I’ve ever read, but you make several interesting points, written in a clear, easily read manner, my hopes are that many people will continue to discover your quick take on that segment of history, pretty much all of which I know to be true through my own self study of history. A great portion of my knowledge of the Civil War era I gained from Carl Sandburg’s “Abraham Lincoln: The War Years,” if you have not read this, read it! You will be amazed! One thing, though, I don’t think you understand the concept of “taxation without representation.” That occurred prior to the American Revolution. That means that they were forced to pay taxes, yet, the colonists were not afforded any representation in the British Parliament. Something similar did not occur with the southern states during the time of the Civil War. Every single one of the other facts you’ve included are absolutely true, and more people in this country need a quick, truthful history lesson such as you’ve provided here! Thank you!
You must be exhausted after spending all of that effort and screen space trying to rewrite history and make the South an innocent victim of Northern aggression. The reality of the Civil War is of course more complex than it is often portrayed. But PLEASE… So Robert Lee and most of the Confederates treated ‘their slaves’ well. If true, how decent of them. If they ‘loved their blacks’ so much, than why was the Civil Rights Movement needed 100 years later. Racism was clearly not exclusive to the South, but to distort the history and context of the Civil War the way you have is not only dishonest but offensive.
You need to read “Ten Days that Changed America” by Steve Gillon. In it you will see why
the constitutional convention was boycotted and what lead to the real ‘civil war’ in the north
not the south (Shay’s and the Whiskey Rebellions of 1781 and 1791-94!). Robert Osborne,
host of a widely viewed cable movie channel, presented a short movie made during the 1930’s
in which Benjamin Franklin warned Thomas Jefferson if he did not leave out the article in
the original draft of the Declaration of Independence condemning slavery the NEW ENGLAND
SLAVE OWNERS would not sign the document!
I hope this small factual entry does not exhaust your fertile mind as it is quite verifiable and
rewrites nothing but in fact merely exposes the tip of the iceberg which as Glen Beck himself has said on you-tube confirms that :
“WE HAVE ALL BEEN LIED TO ABOUT HISTORY!”
Kindly take note of that, if it doesn’t test your mental powers too greatly!
I congratulate Sandy in the revealing and informative presentation given previous to your
caustic, demeaning response!
edt
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Seems to me that, per the legend, Paul started his career as a Christian killer. People change.
Here is my extended comment to an article in Sputnik about monuments and Charlottesville and the idea Mount Rushmore could be next. Readers may enjoy it:
Absolutely, and already there has been some talk of doing something about Stone Mountain, Georgia, a vast monument carved into a mountain just like Mount Rushmore. It features in huge bas relief key Confederate figures.
As for Rushmore, Jefferson was a scoundrel, almost totally.
There’s a huge number of reasons for objecting to him, but people remain influenced by his graceful written words, written self-consciously as an image-building fantasy and legacy yet reflecting virtually nothing he actually did when he had power. He broke every rule he ever set for good government and fairness.
Washington was a lifelong slave-holder and a businessman of quite sharp practices. He did things like buy up the script paid to poor revolutionary soldiers, when they badly needed funds, at a severe discount, making a handsome profit.
He was not generous in any business dealings, and all that phony stuff about not being paid while serving in the war was just that, phony. He had a cost-plus contract and submitted a truly huge bill – over $400,000 at that early time – to Congress after the war for everything right down to so many bottles of wine consumed at Valley Forge.
Yes, the same Valley Forge of legends about soldiers suffering winter terribly and being hungry. Well, old aristocrat Washington saw to it that his own needs were handsomely supplied.
When Washington first took military command, removing the arrangements of the Boston Patriots who actually got the conflict going, he instituted flogging and hanging to what became the Continental Army – he was a great admirer of British Army methods – and wrote letters home about the scum and rabble he found and had to deal with.
Roosevelt was a super-imperialist, a genuine brute in some cases, as well as a world-record slaughterer of wild animals. He’d go “hunting” and leave literally mountains of carcasses piled up. His hunting resembled that of Buffalo Bill, yet people regard him as a great defender of nature.
Lincoln is the only truly noble figure on Mount Rushmore, but even he is widely misunderstood. He did not fight to free slaves. He fought to make the central government dominant over the states, something contentious with many Americans to this day.
He also wasn’t just a humble country lawyer as is always featured but a very successful lawyer who worked for corporations like the Illinois Central and became well-enough off to build a handsome new two-story brick home in Springfield, Illinois, and become a notable politician.
By the way, none of these figures were great defenders of minority rights. They all were prejudiced if you interpret that word as some of the extreme people talking about Charlottesville do. Even Lincoln regarded blacks as somewhat less-promising material as citizens.
As was a figure such as dedicated slaveholder Andrew Jackson whose image graces the twenty-dollar bill. Jackson also was responsible for the Trail of Tears which saw thousands of long-settled native Americans, including many farmers, torn from their homes in the Southeast and sent to the then barren Oklahoma territory. Great numbers died, including women and children, in the course of that long forced-march.
Also, as late as the 1950s, we had President Harry Truman, who was a Southerner, always using the word “nigger” for black people. People then barely took note. Should his monuments and library be torn down?
Still, despite those truths, how idiotic it would be to tear it down Mount Rushmore. Better to teach visitors the facts.
And it really is no less idiotic to tear down a statue to a humble Confederate soldier.
The Civil War was America’s greatest experience with war, the deaths exceeding American losses in WWII eighty years later by about 100%, and that’s despite all the advance in weapons.
The Civil War also supplied the model for how generals would fight WWI, a terrible mistake but a historical fact nevertheless.
All monuments represent teaching opportunities. Destroying legitimate historical monuments is nothing less than the work of historical Luddites.
The whole business going on in America today over Charlottesville is a chaotic confusion with almost no coherent meaning. All sides tell incomplete stories, and all sides have prejudices.
But most important of all is that while Americans wail and gnash their teeth over a situation they do not even understand, they ignore far more terrible things their truly brutal country does.
It is busy killing and spreading horror in half a dozen lands, and the soldiers coming back from that filthy work will be treated well.
And that truly bloody symbol, the Stars and Stripes, will be saluted and honored daily despite its stripes representing the blood of millions of innocents killed abroad in colonial wars and interference in the lives of others, everywhere from Korea and Vietnam to Iraq and Libya.
The very real problem is FEAR. FEAR of Negro superiority. IN EVERY WAY! MUSIC (not too many white folk could learn to play snd sing so well without ‘lessons’. Negroes had no ‘lessons’ available to them.) How about ATHLETICS? COLOR? ART, DESIGN, ARCHITECTURE (Paul Williams, only ONE EXAMPLE) SEXUAL! THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS NO DUMMY! ASTRONOMY! What if education had been available to Negroes? The list never ENDS! Clear the cobwebs from your brains and THINK! REASON! LOGIC! Those very few who had EDUCATION available to them excel beyond belief. WAKE UP!!!!
COURAGE IS MORE INVIGORATING THAN FEAR!