Neanderthals no speaky speaky

via skepchick:

Florida did something interesting, and even better, it was done at the university where I am doing my grad work!

I’ve always thought that guys who burp the alphabet were neanderthals and it turns out I was right. Robert McCarthy of Florida Atlantic University’s Boca Raton campus worked with Phil Lieberman (who calculated the size of the larynx based on skull fossils in the 1970s) to actually reconstruct the vocal tract of the Neanderthal and simulate the sound of his voice. Hear it here.

McCarthy describes the sound as “part croaking frog, part burping human”, saying that Neanderthals “would not have been able to produce the quantal vowels that form the basis of spoken language”.

Pretty cool!

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8 thoughts on “Neanderthals no speaky speaky

  1. Let me get this right. They reconstruct a vocal tract of what their presuppositions tell them is a link from an ape like creature to humans and then say from what they have that they can reconstruct the voice. I’m embarrassed for macroevolution

  2. justin. first, their presuppositions don’t tell them neandertal is a link from an ape like creature to humans. DNA analysis proved they come from a completely seperate branch of the phylogenetic tree. so they would be more like cousins to us, not a link.

    second: “then [they] say from what they have that they can reconstruct the voice.

    i’m skeptical of this claim as well, but then again i haven’t studied the evolution of vocal tracts, nor the physical differences in human tracts compared to those of other animals. i’m sure they can get some kind of idea of what kind of complexity in sounds can be created by looking at the two. who knows, though right? just thought it was pretty interesting news.

    then you say you’re embarrassed by macro evolution, implying that you may only accept micro-evolution. the difference between the two is merely time scale. if you believe in a young earth (only thousands of years old), i would recommend that you study dating methods used by scientists to see how we really do know how old this planet is.

    also, if you have a problem with evolution, and are open minded, i invite you to click on the category on my page “evolution” and listen to the podcasts, watch the videos and read some articles. do some research. if you already have your mind made up about, however, there’s nothing you can do to convince a “true believer”. if this sounds like you then please show your ignorance elsewhere, on another forum or blog with like-minded creationists. i don’t have time to debate or educate here on this blog.

    thanks for stopping by, though.

  3. Are you open to macroevolution being false?

    Mcroevolution is not microevolution given the majic ingredient of more time. Changes have limits. You might be able to get cows to get bigger and bigger, but you will never get one the size of Texas. You may get a roach resistant to a bug spray, but you will not get one resistant to a sledge hammer.

  4. One more and then i am gone. There are two things to consider here and only two. The first is the creation and the second is the flood. If there was a flood then the creation is irrelevant since everything died. After the flood there had to be another creation since everything would be dead; plants, fish, and all the ecology gone. So if you believe in the flood you must believe that all things were recreated five thousand years ago not six. You must also believe that Noah had to put all the animals back in their exclusive ecosystem the way we see it today. For example, Noah had to tell the placentals that Australia was off limits. Only monotremes and marsupials were allowed. And then he had to drop off the tasmanian devil (a marsupial) on an island on the other side of world, to the right of australia and tell them not to go anywhere else. He would have to repeat this process for 85 percent of all species, since 85 percent of all species live on islands. So it gets to be a pretty big streach when it comes to Genisis literal. Sagan said, Extrordinary claims take extraordinary proof. Literal Genisis has none.

    It does have some interesting stuff. Like the woman having more pain in child birth. People have more difficulty bearing children than the rest of the animals because, ironicly, we have evolved a huge brain and the head has terrible time going through the birth cannal. My cousin couldn’t deliver natural because the baby’s head was too big and she was to small. What God would plan that? It does not happen to any other animal but humans. Further, the writer was a farmer. How do we know that? He thought the garden of Eden would be weed free. A hunter gather doesn’t know meaning of the word weed. All Plants have a purpose for him. He eats the thistle, and thorns protect him at night. Grasses are for basket weaving. So the man writing Geninis was already civilized.

    You have to look at Genisis as man’s beginning into modern life. He had to wear clothes because they were no longer living in family groups, not to mention the fact they had invented weaving. It should not be taken as a history lesson..it has no value as a history lesson any more than the Book Of Mormon has value as an acheological tool.

    Think spiritually. Leave the science to the scientists.

  5. Sorry, I got lost in the Blog. As to Neanderthals, apes talk to each other in Ape speak. Neanderthals did communicate and how is the subject. Most people don’t know that the human lyrnix (sp) is positioned so that we can talk. That is why we can choke to death in seconds where a dog cannot. The wind pipe is plumbed completely different and that is the construction they are looking for.

  6. “And then he had to drop off the tasmanian devil (a marsupial) on an island on the other side of world, to the right of australia and tell them not to go anywhere else. He would have to repeat this process for 85 percent of all species, since 85 percent of all species live on islands. ”

    what an interesting image you created in my mind, tim. how funny. i was talking about the noah’s arc story with my wife the other day and we just looked at each other dumbfounded about how we really used to believe that. shocking.

  7. Hey Tim. You have made some big assumptions which require big answers. I will try to point you in the right direction to read and find the correct answers.

    You said “If there was a flood then the creation is irrelevant since everything died. After the flood there had to be another creation since everything would be dead; plants, fish, and all the ecology gone….” This is not true. See http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/444.asp

    You said “You must also believe that Noah had to put all the animals back in their exclusive ecosystem the way we see it today. For example, Noah had to tell the placentals that Australia was off limits. Only monotremes and marsupials were allowed. And then he had to drop off the tasmanian devil (a marsupial) on an island on the other side of world, to the right of australia and tell them not to go anywhere else…” This is not true. See http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/how-did-animals-spread

    You make the following argument: “It does have some interesting stuff. Like the woman having more pain in child birth. People have more difficulty bearing children than the rest of the animals because, ironicly, we have evolved a huge brain and the head has terrible time going through the birth cannal. My cousin couldn’t deliver natural because the baby’s head was too big and she was to small. What God would plan that?” This kind of argument serves little purpose. It is like saying President Bush sent troops to an area where they are being killed, causing other nations to hate us, and there were no weapons of mass destruction found. Therefore, Bush does not exist. Obviously, that argument is silly. Gripes about God do not show his nonexistence. Creation proves the Creator. Conscience proves you are guilty. Flee to the one who can give you grace and mercy: Jesus Christ.

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